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		<title>The aims of new atheism?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 May 2009 18:01:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[What are your goals as far as atheism is concerned?
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What are your goals as far as atheism is concerned?</p>
<p>Eventually, I want not to <em>have to talk </em>about atheism and religion anymore. I don&#8217;t <em>care</em> about people having a religion (I care in that I think that religion breeds <a href="http://www.religioustolerance.org/rel_hate.htm" target="_blank">hatred</a> and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_God_(USA)" target="_blank">violence</a>). I wish they were a lot more rational about the world, and cared more about empirical evidence than they do. I wish that they saw gods as I see them — the same way I see the Easter bunny or Santa Claus — as silly, useless and illusory. I wish that they could experience the wonder of the unknown, of discovery, rather than being shackled by myths that explain everything, but in such a delusional way. I wish they could be comforted by people, not fables. I wish they were not so afraid of death, and more respectful of life.</p>
<p>I want them to <em>not care</em> that I don&#8217;t believe in their god(s) — to not be offended by my presence in this world, by my absolute affront to their faith by simply existing in a state of non-belief. I want to have people walk by me wearing an atheist t-shirt and not make a stupid remark (kind of like you don&#8217;t see me making a stupid remark about a Christian t-shirt). I want to not be excluded/rejected/criticized/ostracized for my &#8220;lack of faith.&#8221;</p>
<p>I want them to stop preying on the depressed, the hopeless, the lonely, the alcoholic, and the hungy. I mean, sometimes, they are well-intentioned, but the help they give comes with a heavy price. Going to an AA meeting requires obeisance to god, as well as praying. Getting food at a religious soup kitchen requires prayer and sermons. All they&#8217;re proving is that people will do anything to eat.</p>
<p>I want them to give credit where credit is due. When a child is rescued, or someone survives, (or when a team wins) they credit a miracle — God&#8217;s intercession — rather than human effort, compassion, and strength. When someone pulls themselves up, it&#8217;s because <em>they</em> did it — they found the strength inside themselves, and maybe there&#8217;s a community, friends, and family supporting them. But they didn&#8217;t accomplish <em>anything</em> because Jesus helped them. If you did something important for yourself, it was <em>you</em> that did it. You should give yourself some credit.</p>
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		<title>For the last time…</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 03:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hearsay written 50+ years after the fact (so to speak) is NOT EVIDENCE. The bible is no more evidence for the resurrection than the Hitchhiker&#8217;s Guide to the Galaxy is of interstellar bypasses.
Some biblical evidences of the resurrection of Jesus include*:

Jesus’ resurrection was prophesied in advance (Isa 53:8-12)
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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hearsay written 50+ years after the fact (so to speak) is NOT <a href="http://rss.marshillchurch.org/~r/WestSeattle/~3/2ajTjjRrtHI/" target="_blank">EVIDENCE</a>. The bible is no more evidence for the resurrection than the Hitchhiker&#8217;s Guide to the Galaxy is of interstellar bypasses.</p>
<blockquote><p>Some biblical evidences of the resurrection of Jesus include*:</p>
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<li>Jesus’ resurrection was prophesied in advance (Isa 53:8-12)</li>
<li>Jesus predicted his resurrection (Matt 12:38-40; Mk 8:31; Jn 2:18-22)</li>
<li>Jesus died on the cross (Jn 19:28-37) but appeared physically alive three days after his death (Matt 28:9; Jn 20:17; Jn 20:20-28; Lk 24:36-43)</li>
<li>Jesus was buried in a tomb that was easy to find (Jn 19:38-42) and heavily guarded (Matt 27:66)</li>
<li>Jesus’ resurrection was recorded as scripture shortly after it occurred</li>
<li>Jesus’ resurrection was celebrated in the earliest church creeds (1 Cor 15:3-4)</li>
<li>Jesus’ resurrection convinced his family to worship him as God. (Jn 7:5; 1 Cor 15:7; James 1:1; Acts 12:17; 15-12-21)</li>
<li>Jesus’ resurrection was confirmed by his most bitter enemies, such as Paul. (Acts 9; 1 Cor 15:1-8)</li>
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		<title>Ancient Mythic Origins of the Easter Story</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 19:33:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Valerie Tarico</dc:creator>
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Valerie Tarico, Ph.D. is a psychologist in Seattle, Washington.  She is the author of The Dark Side: How Evangelical Teachings Corrupt Love and Truth, the founder of www.WisdomCommons.org, and the host of Christianity in the Public Square, Moral Politics Television, Seattle.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><em><span>Valerie Tarico, Ph.D. is a psychologist in Seattle, Washington.  She is the author of <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.lulu.com/content/220355" target="_blank">The Dark Side: How Evangelical Teachings Corrupt Love and Truth</a>, the founder of <a title="This external link will open in a new window" href="http://www.wisdomcommons.org/" target="_blank">www.WisdomCommons.org</a></span></em><em><span>,<span style="color: #242424"> and the host of Christianity in the Public Square, Moral Politics Television, Seattle.</span></span></em></p>
<p><em>Evangelicals across the political spectrum, from Pat Robertson to Jim Wallis, seek to shape our government and life-ways by appealing to the authority of the Christian Bible. It is virtually impossible to understand American politics without understanding the book that drives their priorities. Given that three quarters of Americans are Christians, I would argue that it is virtually impossible to move forward as a people without growing our understanding of the Book. The Christian Bible culminates in a death and resurrection story. What is this story, and where did it come from? </em></p>
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<p><em>In this post, Valerie Tarico, author of <a href="http://www.lulu.com/tarico">The Dark Side</a>,  interviews Dr. Tony Nugent, scholar of world religions and mythology. Dr. Nugent is a symbologist, an expert in ancient symbols. He taught at Seattle University for the past fifteen years in the Department of Theology and Religious Studies and is a Presbyterian minister.<br />
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<p><strong>Easter is coming. Some people are saying that the crucifixion and resurrection narratives simply retell the cycle of seasons, the death and return of the Sun. Others say that these stories are literal histories. But you say the reality is more complicated than either of these. You argue that the Easter stories — the death and resurrection of Jesus have very specific mythic origins.</strong></p>
<p>I view the story of Christ in the Gospels of the New Testament as a powerful and spiritually wise sacred story. While the story is told as if it happened, it is a theologically and mythically constructed history. The conclusion of the story, the account of Christ&#8217;s crucifixion, resurrection and ascension to heaven, has many layers. But at its core I would say it is an historicized version of a very ancient myth from Mesopotamia, the Cradle of Civilization, the land we today call Iraq.</p>
<p>Some stories speak to people in a deep spiritual way. These sacred stories are what are called &#8220;myths&#8221; in the field of religious studies. Despite our common usage, a myth traditionally is not just a false tale. Rather, it is a story that, at least at one point in time, had a very powerful spiritual resonance. The story of death and resurrection I refer to is one such story. In the Sumerian tradition, in which much of the Bible is rooted, the story is called, &#8220;From the Great Above to the Great Below.&#8221; It is also called &#8220;The Descent of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inanna" target="_blank">Inanna</a>.&#8221; The Sumerian goddess Inanna is the personification of the planet Venus and a major deity in the Sumerian pantheon. There is also a Babylonian version of the myth, which is called &#8220;The Descent of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishtar" target="_blank">Ishtar</a>.&#8221;</p>
<p>A long, long time ago, before humans were even created, Inanna, the &#8220;Queen of Heaven,&#8221; took a journey to the Underworld, a realm under the control of her sister <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ereshkigal" target="_blank">Ereshkigal</a>. She says she&#8217;s doing this to attend a funeral, but her real motivation is unclear. Before heading out, Inanna gives instructions to her assistant about rescuing her if she runs into trouble, which she does.</p>
<p>Inanna is instructed by the gatekeepers to take off one article of clothing at each gate in order to pass through. She thus arrives naked at her destination, where she is arrested, put on trial by the judges of the Underworld, convicted of an undisclosed crime, sentenced to death, tortured, and hung on a wooden stake. The result of her death is that the earth becomes sterile. Plants start drying up, and animals stop breeding. Unless something is done, all life on earth will end. After Inanna has been <strong>hanging on the stake for 3 days</strong>, her assistant realizes her mistress is in trouble and goes to the other gods for help. First to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlil" target="_blank">Enlil</a>, then to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_(mythology)" target="_blank">Nanna</a>, and neither of them will help. Then she goes to <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enki" target="_blank">Enki</a>, who creates, from his fingernails, two creatures who take the plant and water of life down to the Underworld, sprinkle them on Inanna, and bring her back to life and to the upper world.</p>
<p>Inanna is part of the prototype for Jesus and the Easter story. After she gets out of the underworld, we are introduced to her husband <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumuzid,_the_Shepherd" target="_blank">Dumuzi</a>. When mythic stories get passed from one culture to the next, sometimes one character can split into two or two characters come together. In this case, the Jesus of the resurrection story blends parts of Inanna and Dimuzi.</p>
<p>The Underworld goes by a number of names, including &#8220;the Great Earth&#8221; and &#8220;the Great City&#8221;, and it is also called the &#8220;Land of No Return.&#8221; If, as a result of an extraordinary resurrection from the dead, someone does escape from the Underworld, a substitute must be provided. So when Inanna returns, she searches for someone to take her place. She doesn&#8217;t want to send anyone who has been missing her and mourning her down there, but when she finds her husband Dumuzi on his throne, totally unconcerned about her being gone, she decides that he will be her substitute. His brother-in-law <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utu" target="_blank">Utu</a>, the Sun-god, helps him to escape. But, a compromise is reached. Dumuzi will spend 6 months of every year in the Underworld. During the other 6 months, his devoted sister will substitute for him. Life and fertility thus return to the earth.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persephone" target="_blank">Persephone</a>, and<strong> </strong>many other dying and rising gods, represent the seasonal cycles. In Christianity, one way the story changes is that it is detached from this agricultural cycle. The dying happens just once.</p>
<p>We know that the story of Inanna/Ishtar is the oldest, and the prototype for all other death/rebirth myths because it is one of the earliest epic myths recorded. We know this because it has been found inscribed on cuneiform clay tablets found in the sands of Iraq by archaeologists, and because linguists have deciphered the Sumerian language and provided translations in English. This was a popular myth, and so we have multiple copies of it, or of portions of it. The earliest tablets inscribed with this story date to the beginning of the 2nd millennium BC, and it is thought to have been originally formulated about 2,100 BC, i.e., <strong>4,200 years ago.</strong></p>
<p>Both Inanna and Jesus both travel to a big city, where they are arrested by soldiers, put on trial, convicted, sentenced to death, stripped of their clothes, tortured, hung up on a stake, and die. And then, after 3 days, they are resurrected from the dead. Now there are a number of significant differences between the stories. For one thing, one story is about a goddess and the other is about a divine man. But this is a specific pattern, a mythic template. When you are dealing with the question of whether these things actually happened, you have to deal with the fact that there is a mythic template here. It doesn&#8217;t necessarily mean that there wasn&#8217;t a real person, Jesus, who was crucified, but rather that, if there was, the story about it is structured and embellished in accordance with a pattern that was very ancient and widespread.</p>
<p>The second part of the Inanna myth focuses on her husband Dumuzi, who is the prototype of the non-aggressive, non-heroic male — the opposite of the warrior-god in the ancient pantheon. The summer month, which corresponds to our month of July, is named after him in both the Babylonian and Hebrew calendars. During this month each year, his followers — mostly women — mourn his death. From the Inanna myth, and a few others, we know that he is resurrected. But, unlike Jesus, who dies and is resurrected once, he dies and is resurrected each year. There are other major differences.</p>
<p>However, there really are a lot of similarities between the personalities and the stories of Jesus and Dumuzi:</p>
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<li> They both are tortured and die violent deaths after being betrayed by a close friend, who accepts a bribe from his enemies.</li>
<li>They both have a father who is a god and a mother who is human.</li>
<li>Dumuzi&#8217;s father, the god Enki, also has many similarities to Yahweh, the father of Jesus.</li>
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<p><strong>Other than this gospel story, are there any other signs of Inanna&#8217;s influence on Christianity or on Easter?</strong><br />
Inanna became known outside of Mesopotamia by her Babylonian name, &#8220;Ishtar&#8221;. She is a personification of Venus, the evening star. There is also a male aspect of the deity who is the morning star. At the end of the Book of Revelation when Christ speaks to John he says, &#8220;I am the bright morning star.&#8221; In ancient Canaan, Ishtar is known as Astarte, and her counterparts in the Greek and Roman pantheons are known as Aphrodite and Venus. In the 4th Century, when Christians got around to identifying the exact site in Jerusalem where the empty tomb of Jesus had been located, they selected the spot where a temple of Aphrodite (Astarte/Ishtar/Inanna) stood. So they tore it down and built the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, the holiest church in the Christian world.</p>
<p>Easter was traditionally called &#8216;Pascha&#8217;, and still is in many languages, named after the Jewish festival of &#8216;Pesach&#8217; or Passover. In the Germanic and Anglo-Saxon world we have come to name the holiday &#8216;Easter&#8217;. This name is almost surely a reference to the goddess Ishtar. In the pagan spiritual traditions of Germany and England in the medieval period, Ishtar, came to be called the goddess Easter. As a deity of resurrection and rebirth, Easter became strongly associated with the season of springtime and ultimately gave her name to Christianity&#8217;s main holy day.</p>
<p><strong>Mark Driscoll, rising Evangelical star, told his Seattle congregation: &#8220;If the resurrection of Christ didn&#8217;t literally happen, there is no reason for us to be here.&#8221; </strong><br />
Well, many Christian theologians see the crucifixion and resurrection as a spiritual story about hope beyond despair, redemption and new life, but they are not the ones who get the media attention. I consider myself to be a Christian in a spiritual sense, not in a doctrinal sense. This means my Christianity is defined by values, spiritual practices, and faith rather than belief in a specific set of doctrinal agreements. Before the 4th Century, when orthodoxy was established, Christianity was characterized by heterodoxy — many different forms of belief.</p>
<p>If the resurrection of Christ didn&#8217;t <em>literally</em> happen, or if there is no life beyond this one, that has shouldn&#8217;t have <em>any bearing</em> on whether life now is worth living. Nor should Christianity be regarded as the only true religion. Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, and other faith traditions are surely just as true and holy as Christianity. From my vantage point, where values and practices are the heart of Christianity, what is strange is how people like our recent president think it&#8217;s OK to practice torture can sincerely call themselves Christians. Like the bumper sticker says, &#8220;Who would Jesus waterboard?&#8221; Christ&#8217;s torture and crucifixion mean that we are called to put an end to such practices in human affairs! Right-wing evangelical Christianity is really the opposite of what Christ was about. And those who subscribe to an intolerant, arrogant, inhuman form of Christianity don&#8217;t see that they&#8217;re really following a religion that is antichrist.</div>
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		<title>Hell isn&#8217;t a threat, because it doesn&#8217;t exit</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 03 Apr 2009 22:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Amanda</dc:creator>
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… Similarly, the threat of hell has no particular weight upon those who do not believe that it exists. Since it is supposedly designed specifically as punishment for the crime of not believing that it exists, we must admit we’re faced with a circular argument. The threat of hell [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to <a href="http://hambydammit.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/the-morality-of-hell/" target="_blank">hambydammit</a> for this great post.</p>
<blockquote><p>… Similarly, the threat of hell has <strong>no particular weight upon those who do not believe that it exists.</strong> Since it is supposedly designed specifically as punishment for the crime of not believing that it exists, we must admit we’re faced with a circular argument. The threat of hell is not sufficient evidence to persuade someone to believe in it if they don’t believe in it. The threat of hell only has relevance to those who believe that Jesus exists, but since they believe that Jesus exists, they are presumably in no danger of hell!  In effect, if hell exists, it is only a danger to those who do not find the threat of hell to be a deterrent to non-belief!</p>
<p>Let me make sure that this point is completely clear. The threat of hell only bears any weight for those who believe the threat to be credible. It is not designed to convert the unbelievers. After all, unbelievers don’t believe, so the threat is empty to them. It is designed to scare <em>believers</em> into obedience. If nothing else, we ought to be able to discard the notion of hell based only on this observation, but let’s not be hasty. Let’s examine the actual punishment, not just the threat of it.</p>
<p>When we scold a child for getting too close to a hot stove, we are attempting to protect him from being injured, and we are trying to give him the knowledge that stoves are dangerous. If a child has been scolded and returns to the stove, loving parents will often make him go to timeout, or perhaps forgo a trip to the toy store. The unpleasant consequences of his actions are designed to make him a better, safer person.</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>In short, the existence of hell logically dictates a God that does not conform to any possible definition of “good.” This in turn dictates that humans can literally have no confidence in any decision they make during this life. Either they will go to hell or they will go to heaven, and there is absolutely nothing they can do to alter this fact, nor is there any way they can hope to ensure themselves a spot in one or the other. In other words, if hell exists, then our knowledge of it is completely and utterly irrelevant to our lives. Even if we believe in hell, we can rest easy at night knowing that we are utterly helpless to determine our own fate. What will happen will happen, and there’s nothing we can do to change it.</p></blockquote>
<p>In short, &#8220;meh.&#8221; You can worry if you want to worry about something designed my men to keep you afraid, or you can just get on with your life and tell <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_Wager" target="_blank">Blaise Pascal</a> to shove it. <a href="http://hambydammit.wordpress.com/2009/02/19/the-morality-of-hell/" target="_blank">Keep reading.</a></p>
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